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Posts: 842 (07/15/08 08:38:14) Stickhorse |
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Amatuer
Posts: 441 (07/15/08 12:06:03) Stickhorse |
good grief charlie brown
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rackingdee |
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Stickhorse
Posts: 118 (07/15/08 12:07:45) |
Exactly what we need......
The author probably doesnt care enough to really get into the issue & learn both sides. I think her ignorance of horses was best put when she described the use of pads as "Some owners pile layers of pads under the horses' hooves, held on by a metal strap that goes over the hoof and is attached with nails pounded into the hoof wall". How many other breeds have shoes "attached with nails pounded into the hoof wall"? Does she also know that other breeds use the barbarous practice of applying pads? I'm not condoning soring or running from the USDA, but if ya wanna print sumthin like this, get BOTH sides! |
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Posts: 842 (07/15/08 12:13:02) Stickhorse |
Well, I went back to reread the article and then noticed all of the comments underneath the article that people had written...... rather interesting.....many
people have pointed out that the journalist really has no knowledge of anything remotely equine.
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rackingdee |
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Stickhorse
Posts: 118 (07/15/08 12:28:16) |
yep.....since she has been covering Washington politics "since God was a baby", maybe she should just stick to that....
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Youth
Posts: 330 (07/15/08 13:15:39) Leadline |
It is that time of year!! It never fails that crap like this starts rotating about 1 month before the Celebration. Just like clockwork.
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Leadline
Posts: 245 (07/15/08 13:25:14) Stickhorse |
I found her background quite interesting:
"Bonnie Erbe has covered Washington politics since God was a baby. Because of that, and the fact that she's a native New Yorker, nothing much surprises her anymore. She has covered Congress, the Supreme Court, the Justice Department, and occasionally the White House for radio and television networks. She also hosts PBS's weekly news analysis program, To the Contrary with Bonnie Erbe, and writes a weekly syndicated newspaper column for Scripps Howard News Service. To the Contrary will allow you to lift the curtain of partisanship for a refreshingly non-partisan perspective on politics, the environment, religion, and issues that affect the lives of women, families, and communities of color." Where in the world does that qualify her to write an article about Walking Horses? Also, I love the reference link to an article wrote in 1960 ( http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1134385/1/index.htm ) she used. |
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Posts: 252 (07/16/08 08:32:41) Stickhorse |
Carl Yenser was judging shows[ stock shows., not gaited] when I was a kid and showed under him.
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stalkingwolf1963 |
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Stickhorse
Posts: 96 (07/16/08 08:59:28) Newbie |
Actually, she seems to have as much knowledge about TWH's, as alot of owner's do. Alot of TWH owners know only what their "trainer" wants
them to know.
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SpottedInDixie |
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Posts: 842 (07/16/08 09:04:29) Stickhorse |
Do you really think that owners, who have trainers that practice soring methods, don't have a clue as to what is going on? Really?
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Stickhorse
Posts: 152 (07/16/08 10:27:32) Stickhorse |
Some in the "more money than sense crowd" probably don't have a clue, and I'm sure that many that do have a clue buy into the "it only
enhances their gait, and it doesn't do permanent hurt" justification that someone I know told me. No it is no-one that posts on this board, I was told
this in person by someone who no longer does it but still half-heartedly defends it.
As for the article, the writer obviously doesn't have the background or has done the research to write something that high-profile, and I doubt that this is something she just sorta came up with, the article is probably the result of someone dropping a bug in her ear. That said, obvious errors aside there is some truth in the article. The real question is: does this article help more than it hurts? On one hand I think the pressure needs to be kept on the issue, it is still much more prevalent than the official industry line would have us believe, but on the other hand I am getting tired of the breed getting constantly slammed (and by association me as an owner) by folks like this writer who truly have no clue what great horses they are and paint with too broad of a brush. I guess there may not be much difference between some journalists and some trainers: both are too lazy to try to do things the right way. |
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Newbie
Posts: 36 (07/16/08 11:47:02) Newbie |
What I find extremely interesting are the responses. There are some good points made and some truths on all sides, especially from the folks there were
actually there. That's what got me...the one that actually overheard conversations on the show grounds. In walking into to work after the article was
published I was stopped by my Boss. His comment: How can you ride a horse like that? OOWEE, that led to a very short conversation on how the Walker is
wonderful, that most do not do this, how we are trying to "clean" up the industry, and I can't deny it. You know it's one thing to defend
yourself within the "group" another trying to defend the breed to the public. Any other breed that has to defend itself to this extent? I'm
getting irrated by the fact that "we" brought this on ourselves. And yes, I'm fully aware of the controversy with the Gov't agencies but
we've got to, no matter what, take care of the situation once and for all or else we are all going down the tubes in wasted energy and not for the
betterment of the breed.
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Stickhorse
Posts: 152 (07/16/08 13:06:24) Stickhorse |
Luckedra, I am with you. I have had to defend the TWH like that a time or two and say "I don't do that and most don't do that". I had a
conversation with a woman at work last last year after she found out I have walkers. This is the conversation as verbatim as I can remember it:
Her: My daughter loves horses, she actually worked for a year at a walking horse stable. Me: That's neat, what did she do there? Her: Oh, just cleaning stables and stuff like that. Me: I take it she got tired of it or something? Her: Yeah. She said that there was this stuff they were putting on the horses' feet, and at first she thought it was medicine or something, they never told her exactly what it was. After a while she figured out that it was making their feet hurt so that they step higher. She stopped working there after that. I've never heard of that before, do they really do that? And then of course I had to do the "not most people" and "we are trying to stop it" song and dance..... |
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rackingdee |
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Stickhorse
Posts: 118 (07/16/08 13:40:44) |
You cant get to the truth without getting both sides. You will get truths & untruths from both.
Example....when a story comes out that some were turned down for foreign substance....what does John Q Public think based on the what they have read? They think that a caustic substance was applied to make the horse "step higher". They dont know that hair paint, etc. is a foreign substance. We cant use those yet other breeds can. We are not evil creatures just because we exhibit padded walking horses. AGAIN, I do not condone these practices but this & almost every article written on the subject are very one-sided & I am tired of it. |
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SHOWMOM |
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Posts: 1462 (07/16/08 14:16:07) |
At one of the offical "scar Rule" meetings last year we were told don't buy or try to show a light footed horse They won't pass. Well I'm
here to tell you Marky's Sparky Too aka SPOT went through the USDA at the Land of the Sky show for his 3rd place govt. inspection and was complimented by
the USDA inspector on the condition of his feet. He's 13 and a performance horse not trail pleasure. I've been known to wear a 4 oz.chain as a bracelet
to let people at work see how crule we are. Until Someone with the clout or initials after their name to at least sound important repute these
"planted" stories that make all of us out as criminals the false hoods will never cease.
SANDY CLARK
Horses are like potato chips you can't have just one |
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rackingdee |
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Stickhorse
Posts: 118 (07/16/08 14:57:26) |
Thats my man!!!!! White legs & all!!!!
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Newbie
Posts: 43 (07/18/08 07:03:19) |
The walking horse report has a good response to this report on the website. According to the USDA's own statistics, our horses are 99.4% compliant with the
horses they have checked. We should be proud of the changes that have gone in the industry the past few years. The good news story needs to be printed more
often.
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stalkingwolf1963 |
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Stickhorse
Posts: 96 (07/18/08 12:29:59) Newbie |
Showmom,
While I commend you for "wearing a 4-oz. chain", that shows your mindset. The chains are NOT the culprit, persey (sic), it's the combination of the irritant(s) + chains that account for the pain/damage. Next time that you feel the "need" to defend the practice, demonstrate the entire practice: wear the 4-oz. chain on your ankles after you have put a hundred paper cuts around your ankles, and applied table salt to the cuts. Then you will, in reality, be demonstrating the wonderful treatment that too many of our wonderful breed experience every day. Tsager, If you REALLY believe the statistics, then you also believe in the tooth fairy. The reason that the number of "in compliance" horses is so high, is that, contrary to the image that is portrayed sometime, the majority of USDA inspector's don't do their job. And to think that the horse industry is actually going to try to catch offenders (oh, sure, there are some very unlucky people/horses that are used as examples), is to actually think that a wolf would watch the hen house, and not partake in the legs & eggs. Please, people, you guys are too smart for this kind of stuff. We all know that it's happening, and we all know who is doing it. So, we need to start with ourselves, clean up our own act, and then try to help, the ones that find it neccessary to continue these practices, see the benefit of change. I have video of a show, this year, that shows the DQP's "checking" horses, and shows 4 horses that is so sore, they wont let anyone come near them, without trying to, and in two cases, actually lying all the way down on the ground. These horses never even let the DQP's touch them, and were let thru. And, for people that really don't know about horses, horses don't ever do the exagerrated gait naturally. When was the last time that you saw one in the pasture breaking above the rail high??? We can, and should, do better. For us, the associations that we say we care about, and for the wonderful equine friends/partners, that we CLAIM THAT WE LOVE. I have almost a dozen horses, and not one has had any trouble with any DQP's. rackingdee, The truth only has one side, the truth. |
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TSAGER |
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Newbie
Posts: 43 (07/19/08 06:40:16) |
Stalkingwolf,
Yes I believe the statistics. That is the show's that the USDA is at. If you don't think the USDA is not doing their job, ask the owners of Moody Star about that after last year's Celebratoin. I believe the small town county boy shows would bring that average down if the USDA showed up. But I am at shows almost every Saturday night and have seen the changes around Middle TN. We are not there yet, but the progress has been great. I have many horses also from halter to padded and they have no trouble in front of the DQP or USDA either. And I would not mind if the horses gait was not as exaggerated. If the reach and break were half of what it is today in padded classes, it would still be a good show. I have no problem with the sniffer. From your post, I get the feeling that you don't like the padded horse no matter what. Is that the truth? |
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Farrier |
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Posts: 541 (07/20/08 13:41:25) WGC |
Stalkingwolf, You need some serious help. Does soring exist?? You betcha. Is it rampant and extensive like it was in the 60's and 70's???? HELL NO!!
The only abuse I have seen at the shows this season is the USDA and their two women stooges at the White Pine show that didnt even know how to pick up a horses
foot to be checked until a horse trainer showed them, and the same two idiots shoving their immaculately manicured nail extensions into the pockets and coronet
bands of the animals.
When it comes to abuse and harassment the USDA has the monopoly on it within the Walking Horse industry. As for horses breaking high anturally in a field. Seen it many times, Some pics on this very forum over the past several years. THE NUMBER OF PADDED HORSES IS LESS THAT 3% OF ALL TWH'S ........ AND MAY HAVE A CORRELATION TO THE NUMBER THAT HAVE THE TALENT AND NATURAL ANIMATION TO GO THAT ROUTE. For kicks and grins...Please inform us what year the "natural" gait of the walking horse was first "altered".
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Farrier |
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WGC
Posts: 541 (07/20/08 13:50:34) WGC |
stalkingwolf1963 wrote: Then post it...Blur out the faces , and UPLOAD IT!!! Put it on Photobucket.com and prove it. I have been to a show nearly every weekend of the year for the last 20 years and cannot ever remember seeing this happen. I had a guy on another forum relating to a different subject tell me I was lying at a claim I made. I made a video and proved him wrong, end of story. I want to see some video of horses being checked, going to the ground, and the DQP saying nothing. If this abuse is so rampant then why cant FOSH get anyone to bring them the footage they promised to pay $10,000 for ?? How come several hispanic students sent into training barns in 3 states couldnt produce any evidence?? Something doesnt add up. |
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