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36r5,
Sorry, but tsapp is correct, on this one. But, get tsapp to explain why a spotted sabino, or overo, or some toveros, or even a verifiable tobiano isn't eligible, and see if it makes any sense, whatsoever!?!
But, let me say that I am well aware that tsapp is not the one that initiated the outlandishly discriminatory "Tobiano Rule", but, tsapp is supportive of it.
36r5, good luck & God Bless.

tsapp,
First, since you are NOT an inspector, and 4 people that ARE inspectors signed her registration papers, stating that the horse was a tobiano, shouldn't their (the inspectors) judgement be what is used to verify facts. If not, why have any inspectors?
Second, HOW DARE YOU? We, the owners, wet the horse down 2 times, and was willing to wet it down 2000 times, if needed, for whoever that wanted to inspect the horse, so you should be careful about saying things like "the funny thing is that the owners never offered to wet it down to prove this". There are at least 2 dozen people (not known to us before the show) that will testify to the fact that we jumped thru all the hoops that were put before us, and let anyone who would come by the stalls and check the horse out, do so.
Third, when was this BOD's, and inspector's conversation, where the horse's parentage was supposedly, magically changed? And, by all means, tell us who were these people? You see, it's all about the money. My horse's sire is Not registered SSHBEA (because of the breeder not wanting to deal with SSHBEA), but is a Tovero. The sire's grandsire was solid white, and the great-grandsire was an overo (his name is Midnight Color Flash) who happens to be in the SSHBEA pre-registration packet, on the page that shows pictures of the acceptable patterns for Spotted Saddle Horses. Let me explain something. Just because a horse's parent is not registered with SSHBEA (even though the grandparents ARE registered), doesn't change the fact that the horse is a spotted saddle horse. A horse, and its defining characteristics, should be the sole determining factor in whether it should be eligible to be registered. Oh, and what inspectors are you talking about? The 1 that signed the registration app.verifying the fact that the inspector judged the horse to be a tobiano, or the other 3 that were willing to sign another one, if needed.
Fourth, no, the Tobiano rule doesn't need "adjustments", it needs to be repealed, and hopefully eventually forgotten. Also, anyone who has a horse that they tried, unsuccessfully, to get registered, should be apologized to & their horse should be registered immediately FREE!
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Fifth, yeah, NSSHA at least knows that they can't just snap their fingers, or wiggle their nose, and change what a Spotted Saddle Horse is. They know what IS really is.
You are correct, no one is perfect, but everyone knows that you can destroy something good from the inside.
I'm not perfect, and don't expect anyone to be, either. I just expect to be treated fairly, and we (especially my 13-year old daughter) most certainly wasn't.
Oh, and thank you for admitting that the horse in question WAS INDEED SPOTTED!! And the horse was talken out of the stall, and gaited all over the barn area, in front of untold numbers of people (including inspectors). Just because you didn't see the horse gait, doesn't mean that it didn't gait for people to see.

First off, if an inspector signs off on an app. for registration, based, not on the horse's gait & spottedness, but on any other basis, then the inspector needs his/her inspectors license revoked. I didn't say that you are the reason that our daughter's horse didn't get registered.
You are not very careful of what you say when you state something as fact, when that something is NOT true. Ronnie, and EVERYONE else, was asked if they would like to see the horse wet. He (Ronnie) declined saying that he didn't have time to, because he had to go. He left his truck running, with you, Tammy, in the truck. You got out after a few minutes, to check things out for yourself.
A tovero is a horse that has the color characteristics of both a Tobiano, and of a Overo. That is why it's called a To-vero! I guess it could also be called a Ov-iano (but, that sounds alot like a woman's reproductive part). And, furthermore, a horse can be a tobiano, and be out of a overo x sabino, or any number of possible matches. Our daughter's horse's sire is deceased, but great-grandsire is very registered. I can't help whether or not a breeder has his horse registered, but it doesn't change the fact that our horse is a SPOTTED, Saddle Horse. We wanted to register her without parentage, just based on her ability tho gait, and her being a tobiano-type. The horse's only problem is her particular coloring. If she was black/white, or sorrel/white, or bay/white, or palomino/white, or (well, you get the idea), but, she is very light grey/white, because she runs in the pasture. Our horses don't live their lives in a stall. Now, before anyone gets bent out of shape, we don't have the stall, or they probably would.
We would love to have her tested, as long as someone pays for it, since it is an unneccessary expense. All that is required is for someone to unbiasedly inspect the horse on color, as well as gait.
The thing about the rules is, what if tommorrow the powers that be change the rules, again, saying that only roans, and sabinos qualify to be registered in SSHBEA? What would you think? Would you be so fast to support the new rules, even though you had, for many years, bred for nothing but tobiano's? It would be unfair to you, and anyone else. When SSHBEA was formed, they had to establish a standard for what a spotted saddle horse was. That standard should NEVER be allowed to be changed, EVER!! Let's say that you are driving down the road, as usual, and while you are passing a policeman, that is stopped next to a speed limit sign that says 55mph, but at the very instant that you pass by, the sign is changed to 45mph. Well, you are going 52mph, and you get a ticket. What's fair about that? What if they changed the insurance rate on your small, 4-door compact-sized sedan (if you owned such a vehicle), and labeled it as a 500 hp Dodge Viper Convertible, and therefore raised your insurance payments 5 times higher than you had been paying? You can't change the standard definition/standards of something without major problems.
So, it's ok for the powers that be to "put the screws" to alot of people, but not do it to you. I'm sorry if you in fact got the screws put to you, but that doesn't make this stupid tobiano rule, or the way my daughter's horse (and us) got treated.
I really don't care what you "would say", because this forum (that God, and Cheryl Taylor) Is the place to state the facts, and to inform the horse-loving public of such discriminatory practices. I have called SSHBEA, and they refuse to talk about it.
NSSHA seems like it truly wants to include ALL spotted patterns, as it takes all patterns to make up the spotted saddle horse (breed). It would benefit SSHBEA to admit that they made a wrong move, and strive to reverse the damage that has been done, and will continue.
If the group of people that have made this stupid rule change possible really want a TOBIANO SADDLE HORSE registry/shows, then why don't they just start one?
We'll gladly test our daughter's horse, but someone else will pay for it, since it is unneccessary.
I have nothing against you, or your family, personally, but this was handled extremely unfairly, discriminatory, and unprofessionaly.

icebreaker,
go to the SSHBEA website, and just read their words. According to SSHBEA, sabino's, overo's, nor any other pattern of saddle horses (other than tobiano's), are eligible for registration. In another words, unless you have a tobiano (or a horse with at least 1 REGISTERED tobiano parent) a person's spotted saddle horse really ISN'T a spotted saddle horse. I guess someone died, and left them God, or something. It is totally bogus, as well as discriminatory, at the very least. Just go to their very own site, at check it out. Also, if you have a friend that has a new rule book, ask to borrow it. It's almost science fiction.

darling,
Impossible, or not, it does happen. Since, according to the SSHBEA registration-packet information, a tobiano-type horse has, as one of it's main characteristics/verifiable traits, white crossing over the backbone between the ears & the dock of the tail. There are lots of these. And, no, it's NOT beside the point, it IS the point. An overo has spots wrapping from underneath the stomach, while a tobiano has spots wrapping from over the backbone.
What is beside the point is the idiotic idea that ONLY a certain type of color pattern constitutes a Spotted Saddle Horse, AFTER over 20+ years of acknowledging the fact that Spotted Saddle Horses come in many different patterns. Plus, consider all of the owners/exhibitors/breeders that have devoted years, and might I say mucho dollars in support of this established standard.
With all due respect to genetics, sometimes we ( humans) tend to want everything more complicated than it really is, or should be.
And, what, exactly, is beside the point, in your opinion?